Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Day 7

Today we discussed the idea of individual versus societal values. When do we pick family or society values over our own? Why might this happen and how do you rationalize in your mind that it is ok to sometimes go against personal values?

55 comments:

Unknown said...

Mr.Kay,
There are only a couple reasons i can think of why you would choose family values over your own values. One reason is you think your family is more important than other distraction. My family values have more weight to them my own. This could happen because you get in an arguement and at the end you realize they are right. Last reason is if it was really important or life threatning then it would be fine.

Ty Bouwens, 6th hour

Eric Tamm said...

You might pick family or society values over your own because you feel they are more important. Or like Ben Franklin in the video said, under certain circumstances, it is necessary to change your habits. This applies to the topic of values because under certain situations, you might need to put your family's or society's values before your own. It is okay to go against personal values when it is for the good of the people around you. When it affects everyone, you sometimes need to risk breaking them. However, it is important to put your values before anything else if you feel strongly about something.

Eric Tamm
6th hour

Sean said...

Some reasons why choosing family or society values over your own values are, your own values only affect one peron which is you. Family or society's values affect more than one person. Another reason is, if a society or family has the same values, it shows character that you have to not think about yourself all the time. Choosing family or society's values over your own may happen because, their are times when everyone should come together and forget differences,For instance 9/11. Everyone values having a moment of silence for eveyone who passed away on that tradgic day in american history. For this reason it is sometimes ok to against your personal values, to show respect for a greater cause than yourself.

Sean said...

My bad Mr kay, the one above is Sean Deters

crystal said...

I think we chose family values over are own. This might happen because i think family is more important then anything else. MY family values has more impact on me then my own. We also might pick society values because they have more impact on people. we chose family more because it has more infect over us. usally when they think something you begin to pick it to.

Amy urbanik said...

You might pick family or socal vaules over your own because it fits the suitation better. You might be influenced by friends to pick social values over your own. Or you could be with your family and you choose their values over your own. I believe my parents values are better than mine. I think this because they are more wise and they are smarter. I doubt i would ever regret going with one of my families values. But sometimes we are pressured into social values that we might regret later.

Amy Urbanik
5th hour

chris said...

Mr.kay
I think that you would pick your families values over your own because your family is very important. Sometimes your familys values are greater than your own. When I realize my families values are right and that I am wrong, I just go with my families values. Sometimes theres or societys value help the people aruond us. If valeus help other people than it seems to be ok.
Chris Reid
5ht hour

Katlyn said...

There are a couple of times that i can think of when you would choose your families values over your own. For example maybe what you think isnt the best for everyone. Othere people think different things. We also pick the societies values over ours. This is because the societies values are more important then ours sometimes. What we think is the best for us isnt always the bast for everyone else. We see in our mind that its ok to go against our personal values when our values might not be the best thing for everyone else.

Katlyn Twigg 6th Hour

Alexa said...

I would choose my family values over society. Unless it is breaking the law. I only reason why I choose my family is because I love them. I my cousin Carla killed someone. Society says that she goes to jail. I would most likely to say that she should not. Because I will stand by her at any moment in time.

Anonymous said...

I can only think of one reason why anybody would choose family/socitey values over their own. If a decision needs to be made that is vital to everyone and not just yourself. This could happen if your family is trying to decide if they wanna move. Or, maybe, if your parents want to divorce and ask you how you feel about it. Sometimes it's good to go against your own personal values. Like if you have to think of others instead of yourself. Or if your values cloud your judgement on a decision.

James Richardson,
5th hour

Anonymous said...

Mr. Kay,
I think that there are only a couple of reasons why I would ever choose family values over my own. The first reason would be that if my family was trying to help me with a choice that was up to me to make. I deffinetly think that I would go with the values my parents were saying because they are my parents and I think that most of the time they know best. Another reason my values would change was if I was really encouraged to change my mind. Or if I had enough proof, then maybe I would change my mind. I guess it all comes down to what values are being discussed. I think that over 75% of the time, my values come first before I think about choosing my family's or society's values.

Danielle Turner
5th Hour

Lauren Dawson said...

sometimes it is hard to choose between values. society can influence you in a good way or a bad. an example when you should try not to be influenced is when you would "follow the crowd".but society can also give you good values too. like how to be a respectful citizen. i think that if you chose to pick family or society values that you should pick family. they are the people that brought you up and probably have better values.

ZACK SZAJNER 5th Hour said...

Today we discussed the idea of individual versus societal values. When do we pick family or society values over our own? Why might this happen and how do you rationalize in your mind that it is ok to sometimes go against personal values?

I think that only under certain circumstances that you values would change. I think that the only way a value of mine would change, is that if it was a descrepancy with my family, and if a friend convinced me. I think that my family means the most to me, and any fued between them, they ALWAYS win. My freinds also can have an influence on me. I think that if they have a reasonable point. I might change. Values are a big part in peoples life, so i know it would be a tough descision.

Jordan said...

Mr. Kay,
Choosing family or societal values over your own is common. We choose families values over our own because we know that most of the time our family has more wisdom than us. Most of our elders have already been in situations that we go through. Therefore, we get most of our values from our family. We all have our values but they can be changed over time. For example, we may value something but as we get older we start to realize what is and isnt important. We all choose our family values over our own sometimes.
Jordan Blanzy
5th hr

kristen said...
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kristen said...

Sometimes you do need to go against your values. Like if something is threatening one of your values and you must go against another to help that value. Also, if it affects many people sometimes you need to go against yours. Or if someone needed and was counting on you. If a situation is life threating you should also go against your values. Although you may feel guilty about not sticking with your values you just have to. You need to tell yourself that it was for the best.
Kristen Pauly
6th hour

Anonymous said...

I always like to think that family values are more important then my own values. One because most of my values are family values. I just think that My values are important to me, but my number one value is family. However my own values mainly come before society values. Because society has a lot of different sides to it. So mostly i have personal and faily values. That way I dont have to much going on. So my own values always come before socities values.

Alanna Nagi said...

You always know what is for the best even if it means not going with something you believe. In life, sometimes you have to go against what you want and put something else before it. Sometimes my family's values have more of an impact on me then my own values do. Family always knows what's best for you, even if you don't always agree. I believe that it's okay to put your family's values before your own, unless you feel strongly about something else. If something is threatening an important value , you must go against it to fight for what's right. Everyone in their life time will choose family's values over there own at least once.


Alanna Nagi
6th hour

Luke LaFountain said...

Mr. Kay,
There are a few simple reasons you might chose societal values over your own. When the time calls for it, in a certain situation, your personal values my not be as important as everyone in society's values. Also, you may need to think of somebody else for a certain situation. Such as if you had a family member who was a rapist and society said they would kill any rapists immediately, you might say well it would be better for society. You would be giving up the value of family for the greater good. You realize this when you know it would be better for everyone else if you just become selfless for a minute and put your values aside and help the society. This is when you put your values aside.

Luke LaFountain
6th Hour

Cherie Stoll said...

I think that changing your values is okay in certain situations. A lot of your values did come from your family, and sometimes respecting the family values instead of your own can be benificial. The same goes for societies values. I feel that there are also other circumstances when you would pick family or society values over your own. One, if your own values can hurt you or another person, you may realize the potential danger and change your values. Secondly, you may see the way your family or society thinks about the situation and decide that changing your values is for the best. When I think it is wrong to change your values is to make other people happy before yourself, or change them to fit in with others. I think staying true to your values is the important thing to do unless changing them is going to make you a more sucsessful.

Cherie Stoll said...

Cherie Stoll 6th

Hannah Aittama said...

You might pick family or society values over your own values when the majority is societies values. Its difficult to stay with your own oppinion or values when you have a majority against you.Its okay to go against your own personal values sometmies. Other people can also have you see something in a new way , so they could change your opinion on something. But personally I would stick to my values even if more people had societys values. Unless I truely believed that societies values was what I believed in I wouldnt change my mind. And thats how i feel about individual versus societal values.

Hannah Aittama
5th Hour

Cody Kabisa said...

Mr. Kay,
I think when we pick our families values over our own is when we know they are right. If your arguing with your parents, more times then not they're gonna be right. I think we pick our family values because you trust your family and know that they are more important. I think that it is okay to pick my families values over my own when i know that it is for the best. Your individual values only effect you but family values or societies values can effect a lot of people. I know that i have picked some family values over my own. Everyone has had to one time or another when they realize their family is right.

Cody Kabisa
6th hr

Hailey Ledgley(: 3rd hour said...

You might pick your family's or society's values over your own because it could be to support you family. Your gonna want to be able to that before going on with your own. Or like paying bills. That should come before your own values. Even tho your values might seem most important. But you always want to but others before your self. Well thats what i believe.

Hailey Ledgley(:
5th hour.

Tim Wilson said...

I dont know why anyone would choose family values over personal values. The only way I would choose family over personal is if it would be for a good cause and a VERY important reason. I know that if I were to choose family values over my own, I would be lying about a couple of my values because I know that some of my values aren't values to people in my family and thats O.K. But even if you are going to choose family over personal you have to stick to what you believe in somewhat or you will not be happy with the outcome of that situation because it was not the real and truthful awnser.

Tim Wilson
5th Hout
P.S. Dont make me run the class again. :)

Hannah Ledgley (: said...

I would always put my familys values before mine own. Mostly because most of them go along with my own values. My family means alot to me and there relly important in my life. My family is number one on my list in my values. I would have to be honest i would put my values before society values. I think this because, society has alot of different values to go along with it. It really important to put the values that are most important you you frist.

Anonymous said...

Mr Kay,
A few reasons why we choose family values over our own is that family comes first. Family is always there for you no matter what. I try to do what is right. A person picks societal values to avoid trouble. A person might go against their personal values at times. It depends on the situation and who it benefits. Sometimes you want friends to accept you and you might go against your personal values.
Katherine Walsh
6th hour

Shaun Gerber said...

People pick family or society values over personal values very few times but it does happen. This happens when you get pressured by society or your freinds. I belive you should stick to your gut and do what you think is best. One of the few resasons i would pick family or society values over personal values woruld be if it was life threating or changed life of many people. Otherwise i belive that your personal values are always more imporntant than someone eles's values. It would be very hard to do but i see few times i would ever have to stop and think about it. I usally think about myself then about my family and freinds.

Shaun Gerber
5th Hour

Kaleigh S said...

There are a couple different reasons why you might pick family or society values over our own. Most of the time, your personal decisions based on values only affect you individually. When you must make a decision about a matter that affects many people, your values might have to be altered. For example, if you must decide on something such as which family members get what after a death, you might have to think of the family's values first, rather than your own. If you must make a large decision on something that will affect more than a few people, generally the group's (society's) values are more important. I belive it is ok to go against personal values as long as you will not regret it and believe you made the right decision. If the decision you made does not feel right or you are second guessing yourself, it is generally not ok to go against your values.
Kaleigh Swanson
6th hour

Troy said...

I think I would choose my family values over my values for a couple of reasons. One reason would be for something very serious and it affected everyone. Another reason might be because of our safety. My last reason would be because you really thought it through and you know your parents were right so you go with their decision. These might be some of the reasons why I might change my values. All in all you should always be confident in your own values and stand up for them.

Troy Wojichowski
6th hr.

Anonymous said...

it would be less often that people would pick family or social values over personal. but it does happen. i think you would pick family/social values over your own when it helps others around you. like if it was for the good of your family you wouldnt go against them. but most times people go with their gut or what they think is right. if your dead set on a matter and it would be totally against your values to do otherwise you wouldnt change. finally if it was something that would hurt you or obviouly not be good you shouldnt do it.

Andy B, 6th hour

Steffie Samuel said...

Mr.Kay,
I can think of a couple of resasons why you can or would choose family values over your societys values. My first reason, you might think your family is more important than the other side, so you on instinct choose your family. Second and final reason my families values seem to me to be more important then my own society values sometimes. Lastly, I think family's or society's values affect more than one person.

Stefanie Samuel
6th hour

William Schwartz said...

Personally, I rarely pick other values over the ones that I have. My family taught me most of the values that I have. The only time that I would choose society's values or my values is in severe case. If something drastically went against my values then I would stick to society's values. I believe that if society could prove my values wrong and their's correct, then it would be ok to go against my personal values. This would have to be extremely convincing. This is because I plan on sticking to my values throughout my life. Once something is ingrained in your head at a young age, it would be very tough to get it out of your mind. However, it is possible to change my values.

William Schwartz
6th hour

Tennisplayer19 said...

I think i would choose over my values only when deep down insidde i new i was wrong. Like if tried to change our government or leave and start a new, and i knew deep down it was right to move. That would the only that i would go against my values. If you didnt stand by your values and always went against them they wouldnt really be your values. So i would only go against my values if the situation was dire. I would also go aganist my values is if my family disagrees with what i think and is making me because they think it is best for me. I would always go with what my family says.
Zack Ruffin 6th hour

steven beebe said...

The one reason i think that someone might choose family values is if it is a drastic situation. an example of a drastic situation is like when my mom stood up for my Muslim sister who converted from an American to Muslim. She went against her values when she had to wear a scarf over her head not to disrespect the sheik.

sorry it is so short but i could not think of anything else. but if i think of anything i will post another one.

Josh Fugate said...

Sometimes to do what's right might be to go against your own value. If the founding father would have only thought about their own values we would still be citizens of England. When you go against your own values then the values of your family or society must be very important. If you have a sick family member in the hospital you're probably going to set aside your own values to consentrate on your family. Since tommorow is september 11, most people are going to focus on the societies values ao they can remember what happened on that tragic day. Every once in a will you might have to set off what you think is important for the good of everyone else. It's the little things like this that can lead to something huge like being able to declare independence from Great Britan.

marvelbobo101 said...

There are times when we must go against our own values. Like when you are at a job interview. People want to were comfy clothing. But you should probly were kakhis and a suit or something. That is when you should take others values over yours.

Taylor Wattles said...

Well as a young adult my family and myself have very similar values. However I think the only reason you should pick other values besides your own would be for the good of the people around you. Or your in a life threatening situation. I also think if you are really dedicated to your values only something very serious would allow you to change them. I think it is a good thing to stick with your values. But I know sometimes you may have stray away from your values to do the right thing. Sometimes making a good decision (like sticking with your goals) isn't always the right one.

Taylor Wattles
6th hour

Anonymous said...

Tyler McLeod 6th
I think that during certain situations you should if needed pick societies values over your own.Just like in the movie when Adams risked his reputation to fight for what he thought was more important.If I never need to make a decision like that I will try and be very cautious in what I choose.I rationalize that it will effect my life and my pursuit of happiness I may choose against it.If it involves me and another person depending on the situation I might have to sacrifice some changes.I hope that it doesnt come to something like that.I think if you put two people with different religions in the same room to try ad change their religion.Whether you put them in for a hour to a day they come out with the same religion.

Anonymous said...

I often chose my families values over mine. The reason is because I feel that they would know what’s better for me. I don’t usually side with society over my own values. The only way I would rethink my values is if it was life threatening. The second reason would be if it was a hazard to my health. The third reason is if I knew they were right. But otherwise I don’t really care.

Alex Thickstun
6th hour

Korei said...

I sometimes choose family values over my own, and that includes sticking up for a friend as they have for me, because they mean more to me than my life means to myself. That sounds a bit depressing and a little stupid, but it's true.
I find it that my mind says 'oh, it's just one page of homework. So-and-so's birthday party is more important.'(this only works with my uber-best-friends).
The only time I choose 'Me over She' is because it mostly includes a chance for free time alone to do what I want without getting judged for my intrests.
So....yeah. not very chat chit-y today... okay, bye.

Steffeny Apollo(5th hour)
TEAM CHAOS, FTW.

Anonymous said...

Megan Fraser
6th Hour

I am a pretty determined person and I know what I want. I am also vetry stubborn so when I have my mind made up about something, I am not likely to change it. But sometimes it is necessary to change your personal values to be society values. It would have to be a pretty convincing argument in a very extreme case though. I can rationalize it in my mind if it is for the good of someone else besides me. Every once in a while I will break the rules to help someone out and in my mind it is only okay when i'm the only one who can help. As long as it's not going to hurt anyone and it needs to be done, I will change my values and go along just to help out.

Anonymous said...

There are many difrent times that you would have to be forced to change your values. I think it would be ok if there was a solid reason to it. Such as your life or some one you know life is at risk. Or you move to a difrent state or country who holds their values difrently. Family values can also be invovled with this becuase unexpected things can happen like a death. But preferably I would stick to my personal values.

kevin anderson
6th hour

Conner said...
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Conner said...

In life you may not always agree with or follow your families noramal values. One example such as you diagreeing on your parents decision to a question you have asked. In life i notice that besides values and decisions made by my parents that i diagree with, some of there values make since if you put a good thought into it. You may diagree with there values but they are your family. And no matter what you disagree with your family will always be there for you. They also will be willing to stretch the boundery line that is usualy inforcered on. These rewards are recieved for listening and acting on everything told to you and asked apon by your family.

Conner Risi
6th hour

Anonymous said...

I think picking values of others over your own is important to do at times. mainly because iot can boost someones confidence to do something. Even if you think that your opinion is right and the other is wrong if it happens to be a superior person you could go along with him because that is a person you look up to. If it is a person like you and you know that you are right about your situation. Then you should stick up for your situation. So if you have a opinion on something that is important in your life like family and someone says that your family sucks you should stick up for your family in the case. That is what i think about opinions on things.

Rob Keller
5th Hour

Nicholas Visger said...

"Today we discussed the idea of individual versus societal values. When do we pick family or society values over our own? Why might this happen and how do you rationalize in your mind that it is ok to sometimes go against personal values?"

i believe that we sometimes pick our family or societies values over our own values, because they seem like the better decision to make, at that particular time. i sill think we are influenced by our own values, but that we are just being more conscious of the society and or family values, at different times, when either are more important than your own values. as like in the movie to day where paul giamani, oops, i am sorry, "john adams"said that he wanted this to be written based an societies values, not what they believe the rule should have been, but what they think everybody thought the rules should have been. I believe this correlates with the fact that sometimes you need to do things for the greater good of humanity, rather than for personal gain. i think a true person, would do what right for the world, rather than what is right for themselves, and they would put forth all others before even thinking about themselves.

as i mentioned above, people choose family or society values, because it is for the greater good of what the inescapable future will be. not to say that at spot on decisions, everyone will put those values first, but they will think about the greater good values before hand.

I rationalize going against personal values, when something shakes me to my very foundations, that makes me say, i must do this, because it would be the smarter thing to do at this time. in example, i usually ignore people if they pick on me or anybody else, but what i now have found to be a value i have, is to speak up, to not be afraid, and to not care about what other people do to you, that you should accept yourself for who you want to be, and nobody should discourage you from being your best. so i do not find it going against m values, but learning to accept new one, and rise old ones.

Nick Visger
5th hour
nickvisger@mac.com

my apologies for this being "late" it really made me think about what i had to type, but so be it that you mark it late, i guess that be your choice, mr.Kay.

sammy baby said...

There is only a couple of reasons why someone would choose family values over your own. One being because you have a mind of your own. Two, you should be able to make your own choise. And lastly i think my own values are more important to me than my family values.
samantha Casteel
5th hour

RICHARDSON said...

My name is Ryan Richardson

RICHARDSON said...

I would pick my family values over my values bacause family is more important, always comes first, and and they are always there for you. When if a fight with a friend your familey is always there for you. Also they are always there to pick you up when your down.

Ryan Richardson 6th hour

brittney said...

If I were to pick family values over my personal ones it would be because I feel they are more important. I also would choose them over my own values because I might feel that they have alot more meaning. When we pick society values over our own personal values when we feel we might want to keep the tradition of something. I think that it's okay to go aganist your own values when you are doing something for someone. Also when you find that your values may not be the best things at that moment.

brittney said...

Sorry, That last comment was me brittney Cooper

Anonymous said...

Mr. Kay,
There are a couple reasons when i would pick societys values and family values over my own. One is because my family has a very big impact on my life, and sometimes their values have a bigger meaning to me. Another reason to pick society's values over my own is because individual values only affect one person. And sometimes if something happens in society, for instints, 9/11, as a naion we all needed to come together as a whole. I think it is very important to take a step back and look at the world, instead of just thinking of yourself. I think its prefectly fine to go against your own values. Simply because, sometimes you have to think of other people besides your own individual values.

Anonymous said...

I can only think of one reason why anybody would choose family/socitey values over their own. If a decision needs to be made that is vital to everyone and not just yourself. This could happen if your family is trying to decide if they wanna move. Or, maybe, if your parents want to divorce and ask you how you feel about it. Sometimes it's good to go against your own personal values. Like if you have to think of others instead of yourself. Or if your values cloud your judgement on a decision.

john mclean

Anonymous said...

ANDREW KEITH 6TH

As far as this goes, i can only think of why i would choose my values over society. I chose my family before me most of the time, but as far as society is concerned i always take my own route. I dislike conforming to others expectations, and those who try to force their ways upon me tend to lose...