Today's discussion was based the book "Into the Wild." I thank most of the inner circle for participating in the discussion. I would remind those who will be in the circle on Monday to make sure you make references to the book with quotes and pages.
I want you to think for a moment about Chris/Alex and his relationship with his parents. Why is this relationship so bad? What does materialism have to do with the issues in their relationship? How does their relationship compare with your own personal relationship with your parents/guardians? Could you ever imagine going to an extreme and just leaving it all because of a relationship you were having?
Have a great weekend.
39 comments:
I Think that his relationship was so bad because his parents wanted to pay for everything for him. He didn't like that. He felt as if i was they were trying to buy his love and respect. My relationship between me and my parents is nothing compared to theirs. we get along very well. And they have taught me to earn my own money and buy things for myself. I could never imagine just getting up and leaving, and never coming back. if i get into a fight with my parents or anyone, i just talk it off with them. I wouldn't be able to leave forever.
Hailey Ledgley(:
5th hour
Chris/alexs relationship with his parents is bad because his parents doesnt reeally get him at all. They dont understand what he wants in life. Materialism has to do with their relationship because his parents dont understan that he doesnt want like a new car or presents or any thing like that. My relationship with my parent is alot better then the one that chris/allex had with his. My parents understand me and support me with everything. I dont think i would ever be able to leave any relationships i have. i dont know what i would do if i dodnt have my family.
Katlyn Twigg 6th Hour
Megan Fraser 6th hr
Chris has a bad relationship with his parents because they don't really undrstand each other. He learned upsetting news about them and didn't talk it out and things just got worse. Materialism has a little bit to do with it because his parents want to buy him things and he is very independent and wants to provide for himself. My relationship with my parents is pretty good. Sometimes they drive me crazy but that happens with everyone. I can never see myself leaving if i have a problem. I always talk it our right away and my friends and family are a really big part of my life.
Think that his relationship was bad because his parents wanted to pay for everything for him. He didn't like that. He felt as if i was they were trying to buy his love and respect. I would feel that way to if they never was with me or tried to hang ou with me. my relationship with my parents are good. Sometimes they drive me crazy but that happens with everyone. We have a good relationship i think because we all have a good time together and its all god together. thats what i think chrises and my relationshhips are.
Rob Keller
5th hour
I think that his relationship with his parents is bad because they like to spend a lot of time doing their work and not spending enough time with their kids. The situation is more revolved around materialism. His parents are overly interested in materials and money. While Chris does not creating an unbalance in the relationship. I think my relationship with my parents is the opposite. My parents do things with me, we get along, and they only like material items to a certain degree like most people would. If I was in Chris's situation I really don't think i would go as far as leaving EVERYTHING behind. I would like to escape some how every once and a while.
Tyler Inman
5th Hour
I want you to think for a moment about Chris/Alex and his relationship with his parents. Why is this relationship so bad? What does materialism have to do with the issues in their relationship? How does their relationship compare with your own personal relationship with your parents/guardians? Could you ever imagine going to an extreme and just leaving it all because of a relationship you were having?
I would say the faults of chris/alex's relationship with his parents is the time they spent together. His parents worked extreme hours leaving very few hours to spend with the family. I think in a way that is one of the reasons Chris/Alex resents material objects. He saw how his parents worked so much to supply things him with things he didn't necessarily need. I am thankful that my parents don't work unreasonable hours and that i get to spend time with them. I would never leave my life behind because of one relationship, i would find comfort in the other relationships i have. But if they all went to hell, why wouldn't i abandon it? Some situations exceed the limitations of "talking it out." Ofcourse i would try and fix things with those realtionships, but if i couldn't i would leave it behind and start new ones.
Chloe Martin, 6th
I think the relationship is so bad because his parents spend all their time working and think they can buy his appreciation for them with material objects. They are willing to give him anything he wants, but I think what he really wants is for them to spend more time with him. But that idea is long gone so he doesn't like them for it. My relationship with my parents is very good. They don't buy everything for me (in fact, I have to buy everything I want myself). They are always home and willing to spend some time with me and my sister. I could never imagine going to the extreme Chris went to because of a bad relationship.
I think that the relationshp is so bad because his parents wanted to give him everything. This isn't what alex wanted. He likes to work for his things. When his parents wanted to buy him a car he got really mad. I think this because he liked his old car, and if he was going to buy a new one I think he would want to get it for himself. Materialism has to do with this because he want to buy things on his own he doesn't need people to buy him presents. My relationship is a lot better with my parents. I don't care if they buy me things or help me. Actually I prefer it. I love my parents and I would never go to the extremes that alex did.
Chris/Alex's realtionship with his parents is so bad mostly because of materialism. Its like that becasue Chris is the kind of person that doesnt like when people buy his respect. And for the most part, thats what Chris's parents did for him. The reason for this is, because I think that his parents felt guilty for never being around, so they always made it up to him by buying him stuff. Another reason for his bad realtionship with his parents is, that him and his sister never got to see their parents because they were always working. Because of this, I think Chris resented his parents, and thats why he became so close with his sister. His relationship with his parents is the total opposite of my realtionship with my parents. I belive I have a very strong realtionship with my parents, and for my whole life its been that way. I would never imagine going to that extreme and disapearing, like Chris did, because I would miss my family and my friends too much, and would eventually get really lonely.
Clare Pathe
5th hour
I belive that there is many reasons for the bad relationship between Chris and his parents. One of which is that he may just not like them or not have the same ideas. But there is the materialism thing about he does not think material things should be valued in life. He can not connect with them and so they dont get along. My relationship with my parents is very strong we see almost everything eye to eye. It is like this with most of my family, not just my inner family, and this is how its always been. I neaver see myself going so extreme and leaving all relationships.
Shaun Gerber
5th Hour
Chris's relationship with his parents wasn't that great because they never fully understood each other. When there was a problem in the air, he wouldn't work to clear it. He would just avoid it, and evenutally think that it would just go away. Materialism could have something to do with the fact that Chris thought he could provide for himself, and didn't need anything. While on the other hand his parents thought that he wanted them to buy him things. I think that my relationship with my parents is actually good. We do have our moments when I think their being completely unfair, but I would never do anything to purposely hurt them. If I ever do have a argument with them, I usually just went to go on a walk to clear my head. I wouldn't never be able to leave my parents forever.
Alanna Nagi
6th hour
The relationship with his parents is bad simply because alex makes it that way. He wants to show not only his parents, although everyone that he can get by without parental support. Materialism has to do with buying alex a car and other gifts, on the other hand alex doesnt want to show his parents that he respects them because they just buy him gifts. I have a pretty good relationship with my parents, I think my dad and I get along better than my mom and I. I think this is because I sometimes dont repect my mother or her values. I do get pissed at my parents, everyone does, although I wouldnt take it to the extreme where I would go live in the Arctic and live off berries.
Sean Deters
I think that his relationship is bad with his parents because they dont agree on things. His parents want him to have nice and expensive things and chris/alex is fine with not having so many material objects. Their relationship doesnt really compare to my relationship with my parents. Like every parents and kids we fight but not like chris/alex and his parents. And i would never go to the extream of just leaving and never talking to them again. I dont know how he could just leave everything he had and everyone he loved. To me thats just a little to extream,
Hannah Aittama
5th Hour
I believe that Chris' relationship with his family was bad because they rarely talked. Along with that they really were in complete contrast with each other. Most of the time Chris and his father disagreed with eachother. Much of the time Chris/Alex's father was out providing for the family which brings us into the topic of materialism. Chris was always given things that his parents thought he'd like. He was always an independent person and he wanted to get things on his own without help. Their relationship does not resemble the relationship that I have with my family at all. My parents, however, can get on my nerves some times but we can work it out. I like being around my family because I always know that they will be there for me. No matter what they support me for who I am. I could not imagine that at all. To me that seems like killing yourself because you can't stand your parents and you run away. I believe that that is morally wrong.
William Schwartz
6th hr
Chris's relationship is very bad due to the fact that they are two extremly different people. With materialism is a big issue with them because Chis doesn't want stuff and yet his parents insist on buying him stuff such as law school and a car. It doesn't help that Chis won't let grudges againt his parents go, while his dad had a bad past with BOTH of his families (meaning that he was secretly close to both). Add Chris and his parents together and they get a huge, unsolveable problem unless someone changes. My relationship with my parents are different because we are kinda alike. Yes, of course I THOUGHT about leaving, but I would never actually leave. I could never be that cruel or hurtful to my parents or family. When me and my parents are in a fights or something happens, I do sometimes think about walking to my best friends house and cool down there, but it never gets that far. We always talk through it and move on. I know my parents will always be there for me so I will always be there for them.
Kristen Pauly
6th hour
Chris' relationship with his parents was bad for a couple of reasons. First, Chris and his parents had a differnet view of what Chris's future should be. Chris wanted to travel and see the world, and help out others less fortunate than him. His parents wanted him to go to college, get a good education and a job. This put them in a difficult position. A second reason their realtionship collided was because of materialism. While Chris would not except any money, or anything else for that matter, Chris's parents thought it was fine to have materialistic things and would give Chris such things. Chris didn't appreciate these things because he felt that the money could go to the less fortunate. Chris also liked to work for his sucess. The third and most important reason I think Chris's relationship with his parents is bad is the grudge Chris holds against his dad. It seems that Chris cannot let go of the past and forgive his dad. My realtionship with my parents is the opposite of Chris's and his parents. We have a good balance between their rules and what I want to do with my life. We get along very well.
Why is this relationship so bad? What does materialism have to do with the issues in their relationship? How does their relationship compare with your own personal relationship with your parents/guardians? Could you ever imagine going to an extreme and just leaving it all because of a relationship you were having?
Along with William and Chloe, I think his relationship with his parents is bad because they don't spend time with him. They worked long days and rarely had time to spend with Alex/Chris. Chris's dad was other working to provide for his family which is both good and bad. Its good because he knows he has a responsibility to take care of but its bad because he was doing to also to buy Alex things. Alex/Chris was independent and wanted to provide for himself. Chris/Alex's relationship with his parents is different than with me and my parents. My parents like to spoil me sometimes but not a lot. Tey don't want me to get to the point were I just expect them to buy me stuff. My parents get on my nerves, as do everyones parents at some point. I usually don't stay mad and we can work it out. I love being around my parents and I enjoy their company. I know that my parents are always there for me when I need them. Whatever the problem is, I would never run away and live in the Artic and eat berries for dinner just to prove a point.
Cody Kabisa
Why is this relationship so bad? What does materialism have to do with the issues in their relationship? How does their relationship compare with your own personal relationship with your parents/guardians? Could you ever imagine going to an extreme and just leaving it all because of a relationship you were having?
I think that this relationship is so bad because Chris is bored of his routine. In their relationship, his parents want to provide for him. But, he wants to do things on his own. This relationship is not anything likke the relaionship i have with my parents. My parents and i are very close. My dad and i have a great relationship. I dont think i would ever go to the extreme of leaving cold turkey. I think i would do more of just talking it out and coming up with a few strategie and plansn to make things work.
I think the relationship is so bad because his parents spend all their time working and think they can buy his appreciation for them with material objects. They are willing to give him anything he wants, but I think what he really wants is for them to spend more time with him. But that idea is long gone so he doesn't like them for it. My relationship with my parents is very good. They don't buy everything for me (in fact, I have to buy everything I want myself). They are always home and willing to spend some time with me and my sister. I could never imagine going to the extreme Chris went to because of a bad relationship.
Alex Martin
I think there was a breaking point for their relationship. I believe it was going bad, but the the final straw was when chris found out his dad had an affair with his ex. He basically was living a double life. I think when chris found this out, it made him wonder, made him think. It made im think about honesty, trust, the human race. In chris' eyes, i think he saw people as liars, and people who did evil things to one another. If a relationship was that bad, yea, i would leave. I would want to start over and rethink everything.
Amy Urbanik
5th hour
chris' relationship with his parents, from what ive read so far, is pretty bad. im not really sure why his relationship with his rents is so bad either. im guessing there was something they did to him when he was younger and he never forgave them. and holding a grudge just to prove something sounds like a chris move. or maybe chris' and his rents views on things were so different that he just hated them for no good reason, which would be kinda crazy. this realtionship compares with me and my parents in the way that theres things i dont like that they do. just like things in life i would do differntly. but i could never see myself taking it to the extreme chris did.
Andy B, 6th hour
I believe that the relationship between Chris and his parents is so bad because he does not accecpt most of anyone's way of life, including his parents'. Chris did not like the fact that they had money, and felt out of place when they would do anything associated with it. Also, when Chris finds out about his parent's past, he becomes angry with them for keeping it from him. Materialism plays a role in this because his parents liked to spend their money. For example, they wanted to buy Chris a new car, but he refused, because he had a perfectly good car already. I believe that his relationship with his parents is very different than the relationship I have with my parents. I do not mind spending money on doing fun family activites, because we always have a good time as a family. My parents and I talk a lot and when we have disagreements we generally work them out over the course of a couple days. They listen to what I have to say and support me by trying to compromise on issues we have. Even though we fight on occasion, I coule never imagine going to an extreme and just leaving it all behind. I know that no matter what, family is my way of coping with everyday life, and I could never leave them. When all else fails, all I have left is them, and I would never let go of that part of my life.
Kaleigh Swanson
6th hour
I think their realtionship is so bad because he feels that his parents are just buying his respect, and he doesnt want that. Materialism means to there relationship that he doesnt want a new care from his parents. He doesnt want to go to college, things like that. He wants to show himself that he can be independent, live on his own. I whould have to say my relationship with my parents is very well. Well compared to chris/Alex with his parents. I couldnt imagine leave me life now. It would be really scary. I dont really understand why he wanted to start over or leave. But for me i dont think i could do it.
I think the realtionshipis bad becuase they want to buy him everything. He wants to work and earn it though. Meaterial objects seem like a big issue in the realtion ship. I cant really see my self going to the extreme like he did though. My realtionship with my parrents is good so I wouldent really have a reason to eather. Unless something really drastic happend but I really dont see that happening.
kevin anderson
6th hour
Mr.kay
I think that the relationship is so bad because Chris/Alex's parentents are always pushing him to do stuff that he doesn't want to. For example how his parents wanted to give chris a new car when he said that his was perfectly fine. But they keept on pushing him to get a new car. They also were pushing on him going to college. They were always pushing chris/alex and I think this is what drove him to leave. My relationship with my parents is good. I don't mostly agree with them but it would never make me leave. I coudn't imagine leaving because of that.
Chris REid
5th hour
I want you to think for a moment about Chris/Alex and his relationship with his parents. Why is this relationship so bad? What does materialism have to do with the issues in their relationship? How does their relationship compare with your own personal relationship with your parents/guardians? Could you ever imagine going to an extreme and just leaving it all because of a relationship you were having?
Mr. Kay,
Chris/Alex's relationshp is so bad with his parents is so bad because they dont really understand him. They dont know that he is a trancendentalist. I remember in the book when it said that chris loved sports, but as soon as his dad tryed to correct him on something he quit. I dont think his relationship compares to my realtionship with my parents. For the most part I get along with my parents good. I could never see myself leaving because of a relationship. I would eventually miss everything that I use to have and want to go back.
Jordan Blanzy
5th hr
I think there are a couple reasons why there relationship is so bad. First of all i think that it might have to do with his dad being married more then once. Also, i think that he likes doing things on his own and providing for himself but his parents always wanted to get him new things and pay for things he didn't want. Plus it kind of goes with that they weren't on the same page all the time. Another thing is they didn't hang out to know eachother good enough. My relationship with my parent is pretty good. I mean at times we aren't "friends" but other times we are. Yes i could imagine going through a bad relationship 24/7 and just leaving it all. Expecially if the relationship is with family.
Ty Bouwens, 6th hour
I think that Chris/Alex's relationship with his parents are so bad because they are materialistic. He thinks that he can get what he needs by himself. His parents think they can get his respect and love though materials. With my mom we have a great relationship. When I need her she is always there for me and vise versa. I can not imagine myself just leaving my family like Chris/Alex did. I would not be able to live with myself. I would feel as though I had abandoned them.
Samantha Casteel
5th hour
I think his relationship is bad with his parents because they try and help him when he wants no help. He did not like getting help. His parents try to give him gifts and it bothers him. He lived how he wated and no one could have changed it. The relationship with my parents is prety good. Most things we agree on but some we dont. I get in fights on ocasion but its nothing major. I could never do what "chris" did and just leave.
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Hunter White,
6th hour.
Mr.Kay,
I think that chris and his parents had good times in there relationship and also bad times. I think that There relationship came to be bad because he didnt like being told what to do, and thats exactly what they did. I think that in there relationship materialism has a little bit to do withthere relationship. because Chris was talented in alot that he did and his parents whould try to push him to that next level so he could be the best, and thats not what he wanted. I think that my relationship with my parents compares to chris's in the sense that I know that my mom wants me to get to the next level at something, or keep becomeing better at something if im good at it. But I dont think that I would ever run away and forget everything just because I didnt want someone to tell me what to do, or becasue someone wanted to help me become better at something.
Brittney Cooper
6th hour
alex warner 5th hour: i think that the relationship between chris mccandless and his parents was strained. i think this because he might have liked to earn things for himself which would explain why he gave the $25,000.00 away and took only things he earned in his lifetime on his endlife trip. this might have infurated him to find out his parents were so "Pushy" towards buying him a car and other adjacent things throughout his life. it also might have made him feel bad that he took so much from his parents and thought he might owe them something in return? :alex warner 5th hour
i think that chris and his parents had a fake relationship. they love eachother,but i think they are not caring for eachother the right way.like i said in the circle discussionhis parents tried to always give him things. but Chris wouldn't accept material iteams because it was like they were buying his respect. i have friends who have parents who buy them anything they want. the thing that is wrong with that is that i think their kids don't have as much respect for them.i think to truly have them appreciate you, you have to earn respect.
Taylor Dieck.
The relationship is so bad because Chris and his parents have different points of view. Chris is independent not very relaint on other people. His parents buy his respect with gifts anddepend of material objects. My parents and my relationship is great. My parents win me over with love and not money, however every occasional new cell phone or new clothes is great :) but other then that we respect eachother with love and always try to work things out.
Chris's relationship between his parent and himself is so bad because, when chris wants their love, the give him material love, which he soon comes to hate. materialism has a lot to do with a relationship, because on some parts, like rings, it symbolizes your passion with someone, even when your not with them, in which, that is a good version of materialistic love. but when chris just keeps getting gifts from his parents, i interpreted that to be they want to give him thing to hold him over for the time being. thats what i honestly think why people give such items. i also find it in part that people can not find real way to show their love, so they buy things that they think can help you, or yourself. now the relationship with my parents at times can be frustrating, but never till the point where someone gets hurt. and i am glad i live in a house that that doesn't happen in. now, if i really wanted to, and if i was on edge for a while, i may think about it, but then i will realize, its much easier staying where i am, and fixing the problems, instead of proving people wrong.
my apologies for the lateness, i have no excuse.
Nick Visger
5th hour
nickvisger@mac.com
Mr. Kay,
I think Chris's relashionship with his parents is awful. He doesn't really like the whole idea of how they need to be so materialized. He doesn't want this because it doesn't really fit into his whole ideal world. I have a fairly good relashionship with my parents and I cant stand just shunning them out like that. I cant imagine leaving just because I don't like how my parents are materializd. They can and will always make me mad but I wouldn't go to Alaska due to them. I doesn't make much sense that that is his only reason. It's sort of a minor thing if your parents are materialistic, but I guess it agrovated him.
-Luke LaFountain
6th Hour
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