Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Day 12
Today we began a discussion on the dark aspects of transcendentilism and romanticism. Based on the positives of transcendentilism, we would think that those who are good will have good happen to them. These individuals believe strongly in the theory that the glass is half full not half empty. Pretend (or not) that you are of the transcendental belief structure. How would you then explain the idea that bad things happen to good people? If you can explain this, does this make you a dark member of transcendentilism or just a realist in life?
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If you are of the transcendental belief structure , you could think that bad things always happen. But since you see things as the glass is half full , then you could just not really think of the bad things that happen to you. The good in your life would overlap the bad and you would just see good. Also if you have a positive attitude about things then bad things don't effect you as badly. I don't think that your a dark member if you think that bad things can happen to people. Its just reality , bad things will happen to you no matter if your good or bad , its just at how you view things. And transcendentalists just have a better view on things than dark members.
Hannah Aittama
5th Hour
If you are a transcendentalist i believe they think bad things happen to everyone. To all people good and bad people because it does. The way i feel that explaining this is just being a relist in life. All of these thing in life are just things that happen. for example when i fell snowboarding and bruised a couple ribs on the rails. That reallym all you can excspect out of life is the good and bad to come with life. thats how i feel about being a transcendentalist or just being a realist.
Rob Keller
5th hour
If one has a transcendentalist belief, then you believe fully in karma. The "what goes around comes around" cosmic energy that supposedly runs the universe. However, you do not have to understand the energy portion, only the concept. However this concept is only SOMETIMES true. There has been great people that has horrid things brought onto them. this is called fate sometimes. I do not think such a thing exists, only we are in control of our options, the portions of life that is not controllable is because of nature and/or another human being. For "fate" we are it's dominoes passing along each moment pass onto another leading up to the final event. In cases, we are our own downfall, in other we are the glorious sunlight of the fruits witch we have sowed.
Derek Guckian
6th hour
Can we PLEASE have a good Halloween? last year and before that it ended at 8:00!
The idea that bad things could happen to good people is that their are people out in the world that do terrible things. I think this concern is more enforced in todays world, rather than the past. In the past parents let their children roam free without worry, now they constantly need to know where they are. I think this just makes me a realist. Its a fact that their are people that want to cause harm and thats reality. All sorts of bad people are figuring out new ways to cause destruction, and I believe this will never stop.
Sean Deters
if you belive in transidelim. you may not always think about the bad things because somthing good may come from it. you also wouldnot be bad person if somthing bad happens to you because bad things happen to everyone. plus bad things dont always effect people the same.so i think im a realist in life. ithink this because even when somthing bad happens it will blow on and we will be alright.
and amen to derbear.
Mr.Kay,
Good and bad both exsist in the world. Some believe that there is only good, and some believe that there is only bad. Bad things happen to you no matter if you think they don't or not, and the same with good. When you get the people who believe the glass is half full they foucus on the good of the world, and when bad things happen they don't dwell on them. When you have a person who believes that the glass is half empty they tend to focus on the bad in the world. When good things happen to them they don't really notice because their so wrapped up in the bad. I think that just because you understand how something works dosnt make you that type of person. Explaining that bad things happen to good people is just a way that you think it is.
Brittney Cooper
6th hour
"In case you missed it..."
here are all 15 vocab words this week
abstract: adjective-
existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence
aesthetic: adjective-
concerned with beauty or the appreciation of beauty
clairvoyant: noun-
a person who claims to have a supernatural ability to perceive events in the future or beyond normal sensory contact.
complacent: adjective-
showing smug or uncritical satisfaction with oneself or one's achievement
epiphany: noun -
the manifestation of a great idea upon yourself
facetious: adjective-
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
fortuitous: adjective
happening by accident or chance rather than design
hackneyed: adjective
(of a phrase or idea) lacking significance through having been overused; unoriginal and trite
insatiable: adjective
(of an appetite or desire) impossible to satisfy
jocular: adjective
fond of or characterized by joking; humorous or playful
loquacious: adjective
talkative
meticulous: adjective
showing great attention to detail; very careful and precise
novice: noun-
a person new to or inexperienced in a field or situation
palpable: adjective-
able to be touched or felt
refute: verb-
prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove
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How I would explain the idea of bad things happening to good people is that they are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, some place where they are not suppose to be. This is just a realist in life. Bad things happen to good people most of the time. People who usually don't get in trouble get caught when they are just standing or walking by. Also, the good people get a worser punishment then the bad people because probably they took the blame. This is in everyday life.
Katherine Walsh
6th Hour
I think bad things happen to everyone. It really doesnt matter who you are you will always have bad and good days. Sometimes the bad takes over you and it seems like it will always be bad. It gets bad before it will get better. Sometimes you need the bad to happen so the good can come and make things better. Everone has good and bad days but it will always get better i dont believe that things stay bad forever it will get better.
Crystal maybee
5th hour
Mr. Kay,
I think that if you are transcendetal you would think that bad things happen to all people. ALthough it is true that some people get more than others, it happens to all people. For instance my sister had cancer. Our family couldnt beleive that something like that could happen to us. We always thought that it could always be worse, and other people have it worse than us. And the truth is is that its the bad things in life that make us stronger, they pull people closer, and make the world a more peaceful place to live.
Tim Wilson
5th Hour
When you believe in trancendental blieds, You think that bad thigs could hapen to you and other people around you. You also think that the glass is half foul instead of half empty. So since you think that you probably dont raelly think that when something bad hapens its really bad , but instead just another part of life. You would probably just see the good in it. I dont think that your a dark member if you think that bad things hapen to you and other people. Bad things happpeing is just another part of life that we have to live with. It all depends on how you look at things.
katlyn Twigg 6th Hour
I think that bad things happen to good people because bad things happen to everyone. The inverse is that good things happen to bad people. What would life be if it didnt happen. I think that we all need a reality check. I think that when bad things happen it happens for a reason. I beleve that everything happens for a reason. Even if you dont know why it happen at the time. My cousin had a miscarrige last january. In febuary her and her husband got in this really bad car accinent. If she would have sill been pregnet then she would have lost the baby. so that is what i think.
Alexa Rumpz 6th hour.
Even if you are a member of the trancendental belief structure, that doesnt mean that you cant think bad things will happen. Because even if you do belive in trancendentalism, that can still mean that bad things could happen to you. In reality, bad things can happen to anyone, even transcendentalists. Although, trancendentalists see the more postive things in life. Where, the dark members see the more negative aspects on life. It just happens, that dark members always think bad things will happen, where transcendentalists see the postive things, and have a better outlook on life. So no, I dont think you have to be a member of the dark trancendentalists to think something bad will happen to you.
The idea of karma is naive. Yes everyone would like to believe that good things happen to good people and eventually what goes around comes around. It's comforting to think that something out of your power will take care of the assholes in the world. It's unlikely, every life has circumstances, bad things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people. It's true that bad people are lead into situations were bad things are plausible, it doesn't mean it's karma. I'm not a dark member of transcendentalism. I guess i would call myself a realist. Though at times i still hope for karma to take its course.
Chloe Martin, 6th hour
Taylor Dieck
Transendentalist think for them selves. So it is a very big possibility that they thik that bad things happen to good people. But also you can be a realist and know that things happen in life, sometimes good and sometimes bad. I do not however think that makes you a dark transenentalist, i just think it means you are more in touch with reality. The fact that bad things do happen as long as good things, is just a reality. Transendentalist just have a more positive look on life. Which is sometimes better in life.
Bad things happen to everyone, whether we like it or not. We all have the good and bad times in life. Sometimes its the dark transcendentals in the world that cause bad things to happen. For example, people murder, rape, steal, abuse things. Im not a dark transcendentalist, i just know we all make mistakes, because we arent perfect. And since we dont live in a perfectw world, not everything is going to be perfect. But i believe im a realist. I say this because im real with myself.
Amy Urbanik
5th hour
Mr. kay
People do good things and they also do bad things. If you are a transendendatalist then you probly think that good things happen to good peole. Also bad tings happen to bad people. But people do good and bad things. so someone is always going to have some good. Or they are always going to have some bad. Someone may not be that good at all so they only have a little bit of good things happen to them. Someone may not be that bad so they only have little bad things happen to them.
chris reid
5th hour
Mr. Kay,
I am not sure if I can fully explain this idea, but I will try. I think I will start with the second question first. I think that if you think that, yeah sometimes bad things happen to good people, then you are just a realist. If you actually believe that in some backwards world, the good people will get the bad, instead of getting good, all the time, then you are a dark transcendentalist. So if you think, "Oh it happens" then you are a realist, but if you honestly think that no matter what, if your a good person, you'll ALWAYS have bad things happen to you, then you are a dark transcendentalist. Now, I can't really explain this. I understand how if you are good to another, they will be good back and vice versa, but getting all mixed up, i don't get. Maybe, If people get annoyed with your good ways (even though that doesn't make much sense) they wont like you and make bad things happen. And Also, good could be viewed differently. You see this in politics. If someone says no more high taxes, there will be followers and they will be others saying, Hey, I want to get free health care and such. I am using politics as an example because presidents are shot a lot due to what they do, though it can be viewed as good. So it could viewed differently and that's all i am saying.
-Luke LaFountain
6th Hour
Many bad things happen to good people. If a good person has a family member die then that could be an example. Another example would be that if you do something for some one then some one will break up with you the next day. No I don't think that this makes you a dark member of romanticism. It just means that bad things can happen to anyone. I think that most people are realists. Being a realist doesn't mean that you are a dark romanticist.
Tyler Inman
5th Hour
As a transcendental you probually would know that bad things WILL happen to good people. Thinking that without suffering there would be no compashion. Bad things happen all the time but they often lead to good times. You start to appreciate all the times that you feel happy. If nothing bad ever happened it wouldn't lead you to something amazing in your life. Such as, when something bad had happened it may have lead you to your soulmate. I don't believe that they are "dark members" whom believe in this, but they understand that bad things HAVE to happen to them in order to enjoy life.
Kristen Pauly
6th hour
If you are of the transcendental belief structure, you could think that bad things always happen. But because you see the glass as half full, you think that bad things just happen to other people. And you don't think of the bad things that happen to you. You always put the good before the bad. So therefor you only notice the good. but someone can be really good, and yet still have really bad things happen to them. for example, My father had always done good things. Help people out and everything. But last year he lost his job, and we were out of luck for the whole summer. But there can also be good Karma. Because my dad had gone the whole summer with out a job, and he finally found two weeks ago. I think that thats good Karma. The bad things in life just make us stronger as a family.
Hailey Ledgely(:
5th hour
i thought of a saying that describes this. "bad things will happen to all people, it's what we do in these moments that defines us." no it just describes that you cannot control what happens to you, you must deal with the matter's at hand. transcendental means to exist outside of naturality, also meaning different. you are a realist if you think this way, because it is the truth, it is real, therefore making it realism.>alexwarner 5th hour<
Being a transcendentalist you could think that bad things only happen to good people. You could say bad things happen on a regular basis, that's just part of life. If you see the glass as half full, you would think that nothing can bad can happen to you. In reality it can, but it's the bad things in life that lead you to the good things. When one door closes, two door's open. One thing I've noticed growing up is, if you have a negative attitude your never going to get anywhere. It's when you have a positive attitude on things, it will make it a little easier. Being a realist doesn't always mean bad things will happen to you, it can happen to anyone.
Alanna Nagi
6th hour
some one that is of the transcendental belief structure may think that the glass is half full is a optimist. i don't believe that bad things happen to good or bad people. when bad things happen to good people we notice it more. but when bad things happen to bad people we tend not to notice it as much. so i guess am more a realist in life than a transcendentalist. no this does not make you a dark member of transcendentalism. this makes you a realist in life.
Nobody is perfect.Everyone will make mistakes.I dont thin anyone is perfectly pure.I beilieve we allhave a dark romaticist in us.This part is rarely ever seen though.Im sure in your head you have thought something bad or dark.If not i think life is thrown at you by chance not a higher power.They do not choose how your life willhappen.Life just happens and if there is a higher power theres not much they can do whether your perfectly good or bad(dark).No it doesnt because have I really stated anything dark no.Im just explaining my view on how "the cards fall".Im not stating anything much other than a personal opinion so i think im just being realist.
Tyler McLeod 6th
I believe that a transcendentalist belief structure can be interpreted in many different ways. I, however, see as that good people have bad things happen to them because it makes them stronger. Most good people, if not all, have bad things happen to them. It has nothing to do with karma. These things will just happen as they say, the " luck of the draw". People should not look at bad things as setbacks or things to stop them from being good people. they should look at them being challenges or hurdles that they have to overcome in life to prove that you can succeed. I believe that my philosophy on this does not make me a dark transcendentalist. I think that it makes me a realist because other people see it as the same way and either way life is going to go on. If you don't like something, change and don't whin about it. People shouldn't care if bad things happen to them. If there weren't any bad things, how could we appreciate the good things that happen in life.
William Schwartz
6th hr
In reality, bad things happen to good people and there is no doubt that it doesn't. Something bad has happened to all of us. Something bad could happen to the best person in the world and there is just no stopping it. An example of this is death. The best person could be in the wrong spot at the wrong time and they could get shot and die. This happens all the time now and days. With all the crazy people living in our country today, they could just to out and go on a killing spree and just so happen to kill a good person.
Troy wojichowski 6th hr
6th
If I were of the transcendental belief structure I would explain that bad things happen to good people in a few ways. Good people don't usually deserve for bad things to happen to them, but it is a part of life. Its something everyone in life has to deal with. If you don't ever have a bad day, then how would you know when a day is perfect? Everyone experiences an off day once in a while. Also, sometimes good people have to face the consequences of bad people's actions. It is unfair, but once again, a part of life. There are people out there who ruin life for others. They may have taken a family member away from someone, or caused harm to another. The good person did not do anything to cause harm to themselves, but its the bad persons decision to put harm on another. I don't think this idea makes me a dark member of transcendentalism, but a realist. I don't wish these things would happen, but I have to face the realization of the world around us.
If you are of the transcendental belief structure, you can think that the only thing that happens are things that are bad. Seeing the glass as half full is meaning that you dont think of the bad things that happen to you and put them behind you or turning the page is getting you somewere. Now if all you thought of was the bad then you would see the glass as half empty. seeing the glass half empty is what drags us down and living is fear our whole lives. We also need to see the glass as half full so we can remove the bad and replace it with the good. I believe this is what keeps people strong and always moving forward in life. Because i think people can explane this is becaus ewe all have been apart of dark transcendentilism. I think because you have been apart of it doesnt mean you stay one for ever. This is when you need to remove the bad and replace it with the good. Also meaning instead of the glass being half empty, the glass is half full. Just because you good and you do everything good doesn't mean nothing bad id going to happen to you. Yes there's a thing called karma but its not always true. Just becaus eyou do something bad doesnt mean something worse is going to come and punish you for it. You can do something extreamlt good and yet you can have the worst of it. What goes around doesnt necessarily mean it comes around and bites you in the ass. No matter what happens and how bad it is, you can always turn around from it and make the best of it. Doing so is taking the glass, emptying it out and filling the glass to be half full.
The idea that bad things happen to the people in the world because there are bad people out there that do those things. Also, there are people that hate good people so they do bad things. Plus that life isn't perfect so things happen to the best. just because i can explain this(i think) doesn't mean i am a memeber of the dark transcendentilism. I say this because of the factor that noones life is perfect something always goes wrong. Also, that we all know there are bad people out there that do bad thinga just because. Last reason is i am a good person, for the most part and things always seem to go wrong for me.
Ty Bouwens, 6th hour
In a transcendental view, I believe that bad things happen to good people because, well, that's life. To be honest, nobody is going to have a problem-free life. For example, the idea of viewing a glass as half full rather than half empty would apply to this. In this saying, you never say that somebody views the glass as completely full. That is because everybody's life has some bumps along the road. No matter how good of a person you are and how well you try to live your life, you will face "bad things". We are surrounded by people, none of which are perfect, so you might accidentally get in the way of somebody in the wrong time. For example, if you are cashier and are working while a person comes and steals all the store's money, you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. You couldn't have controlled what happened by being a good person. Unfortunately, situations like that happen. I think that being able to explain this does not make you a dark member of transcendentalism. It simply makes you a realist in life because you can understand that "bad things" will happen to everyone. Knowing this does not make you dark, it simply means that you are accpeting some of the troubles with life.
Kaleigh Swanson
6th hour
If you are a transcendentalist you might think bad things happen to you. In fact bad things happen to everyone. Being a transcendentalist you view the glass half full. Good things that happen to you make up for the bad. Being a realist in life would explain things in it. Everyone has the same chance having a good thing or a bad thing happen in there lifetime. Most people would like to think only good things happen to them becaue there good but that dosent always happen. That brins up how good things happen to bad people (vice versa). Let say a guy robbed a bank and got away with it...thats considered a good thing happening to a bad person. Now lets say a guy helping someone jumpstart there car gets electrified (bad thing happenng to a good person).
looking at the glass half empty or half full is like looking at the illusion of the old women and the young lady's face in the same picture. both are there but you see the one you try to look for. if you look at the world with the glass half full you are noticing the positive side of situations. i guess when you do something good or bad the same thing will happen to you could be explained as carma. if you are a good person and something bad happens to you i think there is a reason. since the bad thing happened that will make something good happen to you. like if you got hurt in an accident and almost died, it could bring you closer to some people in your life. so it has ups and downs to it. i don't think this makes me a dark member, i belive it shows i am a realist, because i am facing the truth.
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If you are a transcendental that I think they believe bad things happen to everyone. Bad things happen to everyone its just all a matter of karma. Some times bad things happen to people who don't even deserve it. People who do bad things all the time seem to get away with it a lot of the time. Live isn't always what you want it too be. At some point in your life your gonna get in trouble or have something bad happen you you. I just think transcendental look at life more full and bright, witch can always be a good thing.
If you live as a trascendentalist, then you basically live by karma. "What goes around comes around."You think that if you do good deeds and lead a good life, that only good things are to happen to you. I think bad things happen to good people because bad things happen to everyone. It is something that everything has to deal with throughout their life. Bad things happen to the best people. You can control your life and what you do, but you can't assume that other people are good. Like your story in class. Your mom didnt let you ride your bike to wherever it was you went but then the one time she did, you could have been killed. I believe that when bad things happen to a person, it will only make them stronger and more wise. It is a part of life which eventually you will have to deal with. I dont think that if bad things happened to you that you are a dark member of transcendentilism. Your normal just like everyone else which makes you a realist in life.
Cody Kabisa
6th hour
I would say that you could try to help someone so much but end up hurting them. Or If you don't brake the rules and you go for a job interview. The other person that is also interviewing is braking the rules to get on the good side of the boss. Even though you are the better person for the job the guy who broke the rules got the job. This always doesn't happen though. I don't think i would be a dark trasindentalist because i don't always have evil thoughts. I would be more of a realist because i do what i have to do to make my life better eve if that means braking the rules.
Zack Ruffin 6ht hour
It's true, bad things can and will always happen to good people. It's uncontrollable because no matter how much good you do in the world something bad will unpredictably happen. It's not like someone's out to get you, but there will always be an upset in the balance of good and evil. Say you are driving home and you've had the best day all week but without a thought you end up in a car crash. The fact is that you can end up in a bad situation no matter how many good deeds you do or how nice you are. Because I can explain this does not mean I am a dark transcendentalist because this is just what happens. I can tell you the reality of life, and if you can't handle this then you should wake up because this is everyday life. I guanantee you that something bad has happened to you when you were a good person because that is how life goes.
Carolyn Newton Period 5
Mr Kay to be perfectly honest with you i do not understand one bit of the question that is to be answered. Im very sorry.
Conner risi
I would explain the idea that bad things happen to good people by stating that bad things happen to good people. This happens because I believe that it will make them a stronger person. I do not think that by me explaining how bad things happen to good people would make me a dark romanticism. I try to always see the glass as half full. Even when times get hide I try. I also agree with Hannah A. I also believe that if you are a good person then the bad things aren't really all that bad. I also agree with Hanna when she said that it does not make you dark its just reality!
Samantha Casteel
5th hour
Pretend (or not) that you are of the transcendental belief structure. How would you then explain the idea that bad things happen to good people? If you can explain this, does this make you a dark member of transcendentilism or just a realist in life?
Mr. Kay,
I guess you could say that bad things happen to everyone. I am more of a realist. Some things may be dumb but i think everything happens for a purpose. You always have to have a postive attitude though. I think that if you are confident then good things will eventually happen. I dont think you are a dark member just because you realize things can happen. You have to be prepared for whatever life throws at you.
Jordan Blanzy
5th hour
I think people who see the glass as half full are more likely to have good things happen to them. However bad things happen to everyone. I think the people who see the glass as half empty are always thinking about what could go wrong instead of just being chill. This is why the people who see the glass as half empty are more cautious and less likely to take risks. Bad things happen to everyone they just don't choose to happen to a specific person. For example Jennifer Hudson losing here mother, brother, and nephew. It could have easily have happened to anyone else. But it is not about how you frown upon these tragedies it is how you move on and grow from them and learn from them. I think the people who say good things happen to bad people are just realist.
Taylor Wattles
6th
'Bad things happen to good people.'
It's better to look at the glass as half full rather than half empty. Even though I don't follow through with that statement, it just comforts us to know that after all this crap that has seems to have been piled upon us, we will eventually grow a beautiful garden.
Now, if I were the 'transcendental belief structure', I would admit that yes, bad things DO happen to those who consider themselves to be 'good people'. Then again, all people are born from good and evil. It's our choice to decide which side we're fighting for.
And being a 'descendant' of Mr. Allen Poe, I naturally have a dark veiw on the world and its beliefs. As for me, I perfer to be simple and say "ya know what? it's just HALF, okay? The glass is HALF." Heh. That's my way of looking at it.
This is Kori, your bi-polar, emo student, and that's all I have to say about that!
Steffeny 'Kori' Apollo
5th hour
p.s.
THE GLASS IS HALF!!! HALF I TELL YOU!!! *goes insane*
I think that if you are transcendetal you would think that bad things happen to all people. ALthough it is true that some people get more than others, it happens to all people. For instance my sister had cancer. Our family couldnt beleive that something like that could happen to us. We always thought that it could always be worse, and other people have it worse than us. And the truth is is that its the bad things in life that make us stronger, they pull people closer, and make the world a more peaceful place to live.
Alex Martin
I think tha that bad things happen to good peolpe for many reasons and can not be singled out at a single reason. One reason is tha things happen, not all of life is going to happen the way you want it to happen. Another way of saying that is some people just have bad luck and its not their fault. The second reason that bad things happen to good people is that not everyone is perfect so a good person does something bad, they are still a good person but made a bad desecsion. But every action has an effect so the good person has bad things happen to them even though they are a good person. Saying this does not make me dark member of transcendentilism but a realist. Realist look at life in an acuarte way of seeing things and know the differnece between what may happen and what is aculley likly to happen.
Shaun Gerber
5th Hour
Well this is good question, because I have always wondered this. I guess I can't really explain why bad things happen to good people. I would have to say that it's because of the course of natural events that life takes. Every good person has bad things happen to them, and every bad person has good things happen to them. I personally think I'm a good person in this world. A lot of bad things happen to me and I always wonder what I have done to deserve what has happened. It just doesn't make sense to me. I do not belive that I am a dark transcendentalist, but a realist. I belive that many things just happen naturally and there doesn't always have to be a reason. So, that being said, I would have to consider myself a realist.
first, i think dark transcendentalists and realists go hand in hand. because, they believe in what is the reality of which we live in. But as both can go together, i also thought that, realists choose to see more of the whole spectrum of good and evil, but as we discussed to0day, it seems as though Dark Transcendentalists look more around the all around evils of life.
from the Dark Transcendentalist side, (i am going to abbreviate to D.T.) I do think that bad things happen to good people for a reason.* I believe that there is a God out there, and that, he, unfortunately does bad things to good people. I am not saying all and/or any god is evil, but that there is a more universal reason of why someone has bad things happen to them when they are innately good.
2 things come to mind:
1). He doesn't want the good to become the evil ones. So, as to steal a line from a famous movie, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I really find that the god out there kills off the heroes, simply to fulfill this, what i would like to be, a Universal Law. In the sense that no one lasts forever, which is true, people will join the dark side, simply because its the easier thing to do. Which leads me into...
2). The god out there could simply be testing us, to see whether, in the peril's of life, we rise above urges to do wrong, and choose the moral high road in life. I really believe that this can be a key factor of life which people believe in.
I really like this new realm of Transcendentalism, simply for the fact that, it deals with reality, a comfortable place where i know nothing can obstruct the laws governed by the universe. This leads into the Astrix which i mentioned earlier, it gets into faith and god things, so, care not i don't if you read ahead, but you have been fairly warned.
*I do believe in a God, this is true, but I also believe in the reality in which we believe in. I justify things to my likings. I may not believe that god created the world, but i do think he created the universe. that is one of the many things i have changed, so that i can live with the very unclear faith in my life, and so that i can also live in the fond reality as another key governing factor in my life. At times, I fear for all faith, because i do have scary times in life, and which this could go into one of them, since we are talking about D.T.. The scary thing that i think about, and i fear for all people, even those i hate, is that, what if, when we are dead, there is no afterlife. and that this was just a mere sliver in an attempt for something to happen. but the thing the scares me the most, is that, what if there is no heaven, or hell for you wrong-doers? that we shall live in oblivion for eternity? That, my dear Watson, could quite possibly be, the darkest transcendentalism thought ever uttered. I cringe whenever i think about that, and the shear fact about living in oblivion for eternity, and i hope that it strikes fear into you who reads this. I do not mean i wish anyone to a forever of nothing, for that of which is a fate greater than death itself. I wish everyone can continue on in life, whether, as we call it on earth, living or dead; and I wish that no one receive That eternal nothing. Not Even My Greatest Foe's. I wish everyone to prosper for infinity. but dealing with realism, I wish to never, er, sorry, not soon ever find out what is to happen after my death.
Well that's an essay there. Ha Ha. I do mean everything i said, but i am a realist to, but i am optimistic, when i need to, and pessimistic when i need to as well.
I bid a due once again, as i have more homework. I thank you Mr.Kay for giving me this topic, as i wish i could go on for hours and hours upon this portion of this subject alone.
"so many, yet in the biggest picture, so little, I am not even close to a mere spec in the universe, as I am infinitely a googolplex in size, atomically, I am also a googolplex so small within our universe."
Nick Visger
5th Hour
nickvisger@mac.com
First off thank you very much Mr. Kay for your help.
But to answer your question i believe that bad things always happen to good people in life. Not for the deserving of it. Or for the very few bad acts. But just for the way the world works today. Or realist. In life millions and millions of people recieve bad outcomes or just in general bad things. You dont acctually think that these people deserve this do you. No, but in life it is just the realist life style that certain peopleget stuck with. Other people such as people who decide to act on terrible actvities or decisions in the society. Just are born with the life realism luck of never getting caught or in trouble with the law.
Conner Risi
Just because you are a transcendentalist doesnt mean you think only good things happen. Even if you are a good person bad things always happen. Its the way things are, you can't avoid life. This is something that should be obvious. If you think this it doesnt mean you are on the dark side of transcendental beliefs. Everyone should realize this. I think the dark side of transcendentalists just have the guts to say it. They are not really negative i think, just being more of themselves for saying what they believe. They are realists of the world.
Mikki Nosek 5th Hr
Megan Fraser
Bad things happen to good people all the time. Its just a fact of life. It can happen for a few reasons like a good person doing something really stupid, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or just ramdom luckiness or unluckiness I guess. Some really bad stuff happens to really good people sometimes like when people get murdered. Usually they are remembered for it and honored though. If a bad person got murdered then people probably wouldn't care as much. If a good person gets a disease and dies, it can be good for other people because they can learn from the person's life and they are inspired and that isn't true if the same thing happens to a bad person. I think that I am a realist for thinking this way because it is just accepting the facts of life. I don't like when bad things happen but thats just the way life goes.
John Kent
5th hour
If I had a transcendental belief structure I could be thinking of the good in life or the bad way. Some times bad things happen to good people. Some times they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or they have bad karma when thing happen to them. I don’t think that if you can explain this it doesn’t make you on the dark side. It gets means that you have different opinions on the saying. Even if you have a dark look on life it doesn’t make you not any different from everyone else.
I think it happens because it just does. It dosen't really matter good things happen for bad people to. I remember during the summer hearing about a rapist wining the lottery. Now hes a bad person but he still won the lottery. from the way this works it should have been a hard working member of society. Instead that person probably has to work harder and longer becuase of the economy. Or they get laid off from their job. I think im more of a realist rather then a trancendentalist becuase I think shit happens but may not happen for a good reason.
kevin anderson
6th hour
Today we began a discussion on the dark aspects of transcendentilism and romanticism. Based on the positives of transcendentilism, we would think that those who are good will have good happen to them. These individuals believe strongly in the theory that the glass is half full not half empty. Pretend (or not) that you are of the transcendental belief structure. How would you then explain the idea that bad things happen to good people? If you can explain this, does this make you a dark member of transcendentilism or just a realist in life?
I think that bad things can and do happen to good people. It happens all the time in our society. In life, i think things happen by a single chance. That maybe bad things happen to good people to be examples on a way to get through them. I think that to explain this you dont need to be a dark member of society. I think that it just means we are realist. I think that it shows how we arent ignorant and understand things. It means we are accepting things that could happen in life and are ready to face them.
If I was of the transcendental belief structure, I could say that bad things do happen to good people. But I would really be thinking that there are so many things that are good that happen that they overlap the bad. Because I couldn't deny that bad things happen entirely. I would just ignore all of the bad stuff. I already know that I am a dark member of transcendentalism because I am always looking at the bad things that couldhappen. But I don't think that being able to explain this makes you a dark member of transcendentalism. Just because you can explain something like that doesn't make you a dark member of transcendentalism, it could mean you're both a realist and that, or you could just be a realist.
James Richardson
5th hour
I think that these transcendentalists are very optimistic, they see only good things happening to them. I would then say that if you arn't trascendental than there is a bigger chance of bad things happening to you. I would then say that the only good is being transcendental, and that if you are then good things will happen to you. These people i think are always thinking positive and this is why they see the glass as half full. It's kinda like Chris/Alex, he was very trancendental and yet he died. I think then you could say bad things happen to good people, but im kinda confused with the question. I don't think that i'm a dark member of transcendentilism, because I still think good thing happen to me, but bad things do too. I think that this could go either way.
Part 1: before reading others, and of which my own ideas prospered in side of this first piece.
first, i think dark transcendentalists and realists go hand in hand. because, they believe in what is the reality of which we live in. But as both can go together, i also thought that, realists choose to see more of the whole spectrum of good and evil, but as we discussed to0day, it seems as though Dark Transcendentalists look more around the all around evils of life.
from the Dark Transcendentalist side, (i am going to abbreviate to D.T.) I do think that bad things happen to good people for a reason.* I believe that there is a God out there, and that, he, unfortunately does bad things to good people. I am not saying all and/or any god is evil, but that there is a more universal reason of why someone has bad things happen to them when they are innately good.
2 things come to mind:
1). He doesn't want the good to become the evil ones. So, as to steal a line from a famous movie, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I really find that the god out there kills off the heroes, simply to fulfill this, what i would like to be, a Universal Law. In the sense that no one lasts forever, which is true, people will join the dark side, simply because its the easier thing to do. Which leads me into...
2). The god out there could simply be testing us, to see whether, in the peril's of life, we rise above urges to do wrong, and choose the moral high road in life. I really believe that this can be a key factor of life which people believe in.
I really like this new realm of Transcendentalism, simply for the fact that, it deals with reality, a comfortable place where i know nothing can obstruct the laws governed by the universe. This leads into the Astrix which i mentioned earlier, it gets into faith and god things, so, care not i don't if you read ahead, but you have been fairly warned.
*I do believe in a God, this is true, but I also believe in the reality in which we believe in. I justify things to my likings. I may not believe that god created the world, but i do think he created the universe. that is one of the many things i have changed, so that i can live with the very unclear faith in my life, and so that i can also live in the fond reality as another key governing factor in my life. At times, I fear for all faith, because i do have scary times in life, and which this could go into one of them, since we are talking about D.T.. The scary thing that i think about, and i fear for all people, even those i hate, is that, what if, when we are dead, there is no afterlife. and that this was just a mere sliver in an attempt for something to happen. but the thing the scares me the most, is that, what if there is no heaven, or hell for you wrong-doers? that we shall live in oblivion for eternity? That, my dear Watson, could quite possibly be, the darkest transcendentalism thought ever uttered. I cringe whenever i think about that, and the shear fact about living in oblivion for eternity, and i hope that it strikes fear into you who reads this. I do not mean i wish anyone to a forever of nothing, for that of which is a fate greater than death itself. I wish everyone can continue on in life, whether, as we call it on earth, living or dead; and I wish that no one receive That eternal nothing. Not Even My Greatest Foe's. I wish everyone to prosper for infinity. but dealing with realism, I wish to never, er, sorry, not soon ever find out what is to happen after my death.
Well that's an essay there. Ha Ha. I do mean everything i said, but i am a realist to, but i am optimistic, when i need to, and pessimistic when i need to as well.
I bid a due once again, as i have more homework. I thank you Mr.Kay for giving me this topic, as i wish i could go on for hours and hours upon this portion of this subject alone.
"so many, yet in the biggest picture, so little, I am not even close to a mere spec in the universe, as I am infinitely a googolplex in size, atomically, I am also a googolplex so small within our universe."
Blog Part 2, after reading some peoples blogs, i had to reformulate some things, although both go hand in hand.
I had some free time, and i saw people put that it is a fact of life that good things always happen to bad people.
i would like to disagree that it is not a fact of life. for a fact, there has always been people that have lived good life's, and, as with all of us, they have had bad things happen to them. but the things that could separate them, and REFUTE the idea that it just happens, is because some people who have bad things happen to them, have created the situation in which they have caused bad things to happen upon one's self. that really disproves the fact that people do bad things to people, and ruin their lives. More or less, we all ruin our own lives, and mostly, what i figured put so far, is that we ruin life with one single governing law, that really shapes the ways we perceive, and choose to perceive things.
that goes in hand with dark transcendentalism, and that, we all have our regrets, as much as we choose not to remember them, or choose to look upon them, we all have them, and we all make our choices, whether good or bad, upon these regrets.
so, i think people before me had it somewhat right,* In the fact that bad things happen to bad people, because they just do. The first is correct,* but i think that the underlying theme behind why people do bad things is regret. I think that is the umbrella under which all other choices, like jealousy, hatred, love, and happiness comes from.
In example, i might get jealous that some girl is dating some other guy that i hate, but the problem is that you regret your choice not to ask her earlier.
you might hate someone, because when you tried to care for them, and help them, they turned their back on you. So everyday you regret their choices, with hate.
Now, with love, on the other hand, that is a more positive aspect of emotions that people have. But, regret actually plays a big part in much of love; for when you didn't love someone enough, and they left you, in regret, you make it up with someone else. And For happiness, you regret you didn't have fun earlier, or that, your choice to not make a joke, makes you excited with happiness that you can finally tell it. that last one is cringing inside of me. its a long and complicated story, for another time, and another place.
so as you can see, i believe that a main underlying fact that bad things happen is because of regret. Now looking back as i am typing this, I want to refute this idea so much. I completely agree with every word i said, and yet, at the exact same time, I, with hatred, questioned "why the hell am i trying to sum this up"?
In my opinion, number one, i think regret is the biggest factor that bad things come from.
And yet, in my second, alter-ego opinion, you can never sum up why people do bad things. to steal another quote from the same movie, "some people just want to see the world burn."
In this fact, many people have motives, such as regret behind their mischievous, cruel, child-like, and sometimes deathly, actions upon the world. then their is the group, who simply wants to see the world burn. no motive, no goal, and no gratitude after the deed is done. they simply want to see the bad things happen. not cause they should not, but simply cause they want to see the world, and all which inhabits it, burn to the ground, and below.
In essence, again, 2 opinions here, #1: when you want to see the world burn, for the sake of it to be burning. i believe that you haven't a soul in your body.
#2: opposite, all actions must have motive, or a cause, and wishing to see the effect. even though we may see the villain without a motive, we must agree upon that every person who chooses to do right or wrong, for the good result, or the bad result, they alone have the integrity inside them to with-hold the truth behind their dastardly deeds.
i love this topic. as i do so, i loath it as well; again, another time, and another place.
Nick Visger
5th hour
nickvisger@mac.com
ANDREW KEITH 6TH
Bad stuff happens to good people. Its a sad fact of life. Dosent matter who you are, as long as youre human, youre imperfect. People screw up everywhere, whether they like to admit it or not. Whethre its dumb luck, coinsedence, or just plain stupidity, somthing will happen to you that you didnt like. I dont believe being able to explain this makes you a dark transcen. or a depressing individual, but rather, someone thats a little more in tune with reality whose had a lot of this thing we call bad luck.
MR KAY SORRY ABOUT NOT DOING THIS.
ILL MAKE IT UP ON NEXT WEDS? SEE U THERE....:]
ha
Anyways I believe that bad things happen to everyone, what goes around comes around. Everything happens for a reason even if people don't deserve any of it...life is pretty much a biotch sometimes, but hey were suriving aren't we? But...I'm sort of confused about this blog, so i might be trailing off. So im trying, many people do bad stuff in their life, thinking they wont get caught there invinceable. well that ccould strike back at them. Its karma. well everything has its own veiws, some good and bad...wow im not making any sense.
stefanie samuel
AGAIN SOORRRY BOUT THIS BEING LATE AND SUCH
Good and bad both exsist in the world. Some believe that there is only good, and some believe that there is only bad. Bad things happen to you no matter if you think they don't or not, and the same with good. When you get the people who believe the glass is half full they foucus on the good of the world, and when bad things happen they don't dwell on them. When you have a person who believes that the glass is half empty they tend to focus on the bad in the world. When good things happen to them they don't really notice because their so wrapped up in the bad. I think that just because you understand how something works dosnt make you that type of person. Explaining that bad things happen to good people is just a way that you think it is.
John McLean
Mr. Kay,
Lets say I was of total transcendental belief, I would believe that bad things always happens for a reason. (Which I do).
I don't believe that bad things happen just out of the blue. Everyone in there lifetime will have something bad happen to them, whether someone in their family passes away, or they lose there job, or they get into a crash. Its the way of life. No one knows what will happen. Life is just a big part of "The Master Plan", whether you like it or not, there is always something around the corner that will change your life decisions.
Danielle Turner
5th Hour
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